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00:41: I'm Andrew Pichon in the early hours of Sunday the 13th of August.

00:45: These are our main stories.

00:47: Disaster management officials are sending more resources to the Hawaiian island of Maui

00:51: as the search for victims of deadly wildfires continues.

00:55: A doctor has been given access to Niger's ousted president who's been held prisoner in a basement since last month's coup.

01:02: Saudi Arabia is appointing its first ambassador to the Palestinian Authority.

01:09: Also in this podcast, they speak of another time and another place.

01:15: A stunning combination of pure commercialism and a kind of ageless beauty.

01:22: An exhibition showcases the neon signs of Hong Kong that used to light up the city's

01:27: night sky, but many of which have now disappeared.

01:34: We begin in Hawaii, officials say 80 people have died in wildfires that have devastated the island of Maui.

01:41: Hawaii's Attorney General has ordered an investigation into the handling of the fire

01:45: as questions grow over whether the authorities could have done more to warn residents.

01:50: Our correspondent John Sudworth sent this report from near the town of Lahaina, which has been ruined by the blaze.

01:56: More expert help is on its way to the town of Lahaina for the difficult task of combing through the charred embers for signs of human remains.

02:05: Some homes and buildings have not yet been searched and the authorities are warning that the number of confirmed deaths is likely to rise further still.

02:13: Captain Vince Carter is a local helicopter pilot and has seen the devastation from the air.

02:18: Yeah, there was a pit in your stomach knowing that this is just the tip of the

02:23: spirit, you know, losing, losing buildings, losing property, asking by the

02:27: Marina, that you could see there was still boats on fire, wooden slips that the

02:31: dots were gone. So we're talking things that were floating on water, that it

02:35: was so hot that those lit on fire. While the forensic work continues, there's

02:39: another major challenge, housing and feeding the thousands made homeless by the

02:44: wildfire. Access into the town, which was almost completely destroyed earlier this week,

02:49: is restricted to residents only, and there have been long tail backs for those trying to

02:53: return by car to retrieve what few belongings they can. Even while firefighters continue

03:00: to tackle flare-ups. Many are still searching for news of missing family members, an effort

03:05: complicated by the still disrupted phone and power networks. While the mood remains calm here,

03:11: there are hints of anger too, with questions about whether the authorities could have provided

03:15: more warning of the impending disaster. A review of official decision-making has been announced by

03:21: Hawaii's Attorney General. The American Red Cross has set up emergency shelters on Maui.

03:27: My colleague Lucy Gray spoke to its national spokesman Todd James and asked about the

03:31: challenges they're facing. The main focus of our work continues to be sheltering,

03:37: working with our partners, the local and state government and our nonprofit partners in the area,

03:42: because we've got to make sure that all of these families who have been displaced have a safe

03:46: place to stay, have access to food, to medical care, and to crisis counseling, and of course, you

03:52: know, knowing that they've got a safe place to go until they figure out what their next steps are.

03:57: We've had thousands of people coming through the shelters, we've had over 2,900 overnight stays so

04:03: far and a lot of folks who are coming into the shelter during the day, they can charge their phones,

04:08: they can get a meal, they can talk to some of the other partners we have in the shelters with us

04:13: to get information and if they need to stay then they know they're more than welcome to stay with us.

04:18: So that is our big focus right now. Once it's safe and we get the word from officials that we can

04:24: begin going out, we'll assist with the damage assessment of the area and then we'll start

04:28: distributing some of the emergency supplies that families will need when they start the a cleaning process.

04:33: And is it the case that some people haven't been reached yet?

04:36: I mean, we're hearing that hundreds of thought to be uncontactable, that unaccounted thought.

04:42: Does that mean that they haven't been reached?

04:44: You know, I haven't gotten any direct information.

04:47: I wouldn't be surprised if there are some difficulties getting old of some folks.

04:52: There's a lot of confusion.

04:53: The infrastructure is down.

04:55: The communications, electricity, water, all of that, you know, is not functioning or barely

05:01: working in some areas affected by the fire. So that makes it very tough. So I'm sure the

05:06: officials are doing all they can. It's still a search of rescue operation. So that's why they're

05:11: restricting access, I believe, but whoever needs shelter, if there are still folks out there

05:16: and they make their way to our shelter, they're going to find a welcome arm from a Red Cross volunteer

05:21: who will get them settled, get them a meal and make sure they have access to everything they need right now.

05:26: Todd James of the American Red Cross.

05:29: The family doctor of the ousted president of Niger, Muhammad Buzum, has said he's in

05:34: good spirits, after visiting the deposed leader.

05:37: Mr Buzum and his family have been held captive in the basement of the presidential palace

05:41: since he was removed from office by the military last month.

05:45: The doctor who brought them food and medicines said their living conditions were difficult.

05:49: Here's Richard Hamilton.

05:51: The doctors visit reportedly came as a huge relief to the president, his wife, and their

05:57: 20-year-old son, who has a serious medical condition.

06:01: Earlier the UN Human Rights Chief Falkerturk said the conditions of their detention were

06:07: inhumane, degrading, and in violation of international human rights law.

06:12: But despite the widespread condemnation, the military junta continues to hold Mr. Bazoom,

06:19: presumably as a hostage to make West African leaders think twice about military intervention.

06:26: Armenia has called for the UN Security Council to hold an urgent meeting on the deteriorating

06:31: humanitarian situation in the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh. Armenia has accused

06:37: neighbouring Azerbaijan of preventing supplies being delivered to the region. The enclave,

06:42: which is landlocked within Azerbaijan but largely populated by ethnic Armenians, is only

06:47: connected to Armenia by a single short mountain road. Armenia and Azerbaijan have fought two

06:54: wars over the territory since the 1980s. The last in 2022 saw Azerbaijan make substantial

07:01: territorial gains. Rebecca Kespy has been talking to Mohamed Magharyan, Armenia's ambassador

07:06: to the UN, and asked him about the appeal to the Security Council.

07:11: We have been warning the international community that the alarming situation in Nagorno-Karabakh

07:16: is close to turning into humanitarian catastrophe for some month now.

07:21: And the closure of this vital lifeline by Azerbaijan has been instigating conditions of a man-made humanitarian catastrophe.

07:29: Today is exactly eight months that thousands of besieged families in Nagorno-Karabakh

07:34: have been suffering from critical shortages of essential goods, including food, fuel, and medical supplies.

07:41: And we think that it is up to the Security Council to uphold its responsibility for the

07:47: maintenance of international peace and security, and to take appropriate measures to prevent

07:53: mass atrocities, including ethnic cleansing and the crime of genocide from happening in

07:58: Nagorno-Karabakh.

08:00: What can you tell us about the situation with Azerbaijan?

08:04: I mean, have you asked them to reopen that road?

08:07: Presumably, you have.

08:09: Not only that we have asked them, the international court of justice issued provisional measure

08:14: in February, and then won again, three or four in July, according to which Azerbaijan

08:20: shall take all measures to ensure an impeded movement of persons vehicles and cargo along

08:25: the large encoded door, which Azerbaijan is not implementing to this day.

08:30: The Secretary General of the United Nations made three statements.

08:35: in December, the other one in February, and the most recent one on the 3rd of August,

08:40: calling for the unconditional implementation of international court of justice is ruling

08:46: and reaffirming the binding nature of that. Many international organizations called upon

08:51: Azerbaijan to implement the court order, and we have appealed also to the Security Council

08:58: A month ago, asking the Security Council specifically to undertake urgent and effective measures

09:05: in response to Azerbaijan's violation of international humanitarian law and to ensure

09:11: the implementation of legally binding orders of international court of justice.

09:16: Nothing happened so far.

09:18: The BBC did approach the government of Azerbaijan for comments, but they didn't respond to us.

09:23: French and British Coast Guards have rescued 58 people from a boat full of migrants that got

09:28: into difficulty in the English channel on Saturday. Six people are known to have died.

09:33: Those rescued include children, most of them from Afghanistan and Sudan.

09:37: Frank Dersin is vice president of the Oat de France region on the French coast.

09:41: He told us how difficult it is to police migrants who are determined to make the crossing.

09:46: Nothing can stop the will of migrants to pass. We can only slow it down.

09:54: When they are on the boat, it's impossible to stop.

09:57: We have to stop the people before they go inside the boat.

10:02: The coast guard has taken many of the survivors to Cali.

10:05: Rebecca Kessby spoke to our correspondent, Bethany Bell, who's in the French port,

10:09: and asked her what the authorities think happened.

10:12: They're still trying to find that out.

10:14: Many of the people who are well enough to speak to the authorities

10:19: are being questioned at the moment to try and establish how

10:23: they were out on this overcrowded boat in very windy conditions when of course it capsized

10:30: and investigation has been launched at the moment to try and see how this tragedy took place.

10:36: I mean hundreds of migrants do try to make this journey every day but it's incredibly dangerous

10:42: isn't it? I mean this is one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world and the water even in in the summer is very cold.

10:49: Extremely cold and as you say an extremely busy area, 600 tankers, 200 fairies around

10:57: about passing every day and you know difficult currents last night the winds were strong

11:04: and France's Secretary of State for the Sea responsible for safety at sea was saying

11:09: that the trafficers didn't seem to care about sending people out in a small dinghy in such

11:16: conditions and it was very distressing scenes that we've seen.

11:21: And briefly we heard there a French voice from the authorities. This is a political issue

11:27: on both sides of the channel but in the UK the rules have changed recently which is leading to quite a lot of controversy.

11:36: Well the A groups that we've been speaking to here in in Calais say that they do warn

11:43: migrants about the problems, the risks of trying to make this crossing and what awaits them on the other side.

11:50: But many of them, as we heard just there, say they can't stop them if people are determined to try and get over.

11:57: It's very, very difficult to stop it. And one of the interesting things that we've been told is that

12:03: it does seem that more migrants have been coming to this region in recent weeks.

12:09: They're living rough along the shores, hopes possibly that now that the summer weather

12:14: has come, it might be easier to make the crossing, but certainly an uptick in numbers.

12:20: Our correspondent, Bethany Bell, in Calais.

12:23: The authorities in the Czech Republic have appealed for calm after a teenage girl was

12:27: raped and left for dead, allegedly by an 18-year-old Ukrainian man.

12:32: Here's Rob Cameron.

12:34: These days, shocking rape and attempted murder in the city of Pusen has been condemned

12:39: by both Czech and Ukrainian politicians, including Ukraine's deputy foreign minister who was until recently Ambassador to Prague.

12:48: The girl aged around 15 reportedly knew her alleged attacker and agreed to go for an evening walk with him.

12:56: Police say she was then tied up, blindfolded, raped, stabbed, placed in a sack and pushed down a slope.

13:03: played dead before managing to free herself.

13:07: For decades there were a visual symbol of Hong Kong, the neon signs that lit up the city's

13:12: night sky. In recent years many of them have disappeared thanks in part to safety concerns

13:17: and worries about the environment. Now a new exhibition is showcasing them in all their glory. Tim Orman reports.

13:31: They speak of another time and another place, a stunning combination of pure commercialism and a kind of ageless beauty.

13:42: The signs represented all that was unique and magical about Hong Kong, literally illuminating, inspiring and iconic.

13:53: They are an increasingly rare species these days, but there are still people like Cardin

13:58: and Chan, you want to restore them and show them off.

14:02: It's not only about appreciation of the beauty of the signs up close,

14:07: it's also about to appreciate, to understand the scale

14:12: and also the works that goes into each of these signs.

14:16: This exhibition shines a light on Hong Kong's cultural history,

14:21: an opportunity for some to see the world they never knew,

14:24: and for some to relive their past.

14:27: I think it's a good way to go.

14:30: It's really worth recommending to others, this visitor.

14:33: It's conserving the history of Hong Kong.

14:36: We saw these signs when we were young,

14:38: but as time goes by, many of them disappear.

14:45: Not so far away, another neon sign is taken down.

14:49: Advertising a cowl-oon restaurant,

14:51: it's been in place for nearly 60 years.

14:54: The owners say they've asked for permission

14:55: to erect a new smaller sign, but a chap that is closing for Hong Kong in so many ways, the lights are going out.

15:06: Tim Almond reporting.

15:09: Still to come we meet the scientist who wanted to save a bit of his favourite glacier in Switzerland.

15:14: And I thought, now it's a time to go up there one last time and save a bit of this ice.

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15:58: Saudi Arabia has named its first non-resident ambassador for the Palestinian territories.

16:03: The move follows growing speculation

16:05: that Saudi Arabia and Israel could soon reach an agreement to normalize relations.

16:10: Here's our Middle East Regional Editor, Mike Thompson.

16:13: Saudi Arabia has long maintained that the normalization of relations with Israel, which

16:18: it currently does not recognise, is dependent on the establishment of a Palestinian state.

16:24: So, talk that the country could soon normalise relations without this will have alarmed many

16:30: Palestinians.

16:31: It appears that creating this new and bastardorial position, which also includes the role of

16:37: of consul general to Jerusalem is designed to show that Riyadh wouldn't abandon its support

16:43: for the Palestinian cause. The new job is to be filled by the Kingdoms ambassador to

16:48: Jordan, now your of Al-Sidari.

16:51: According to the Conservation Organization, WWF, or the Worldwide Fund for Nature, there

16:57: are around 415,000 African elephants left in the world and a maximum of 50,000 Asian

17:03: elephants. Some estimates suggest the populations have halved in 50 years because of ivory poaching

17:10: in Africa and habitat loss in Asia. A decade ago animal campaigners set up World Elephant

17:16: Day on the 12th of August to highlight the plight of elephants around the world. This year,

17:20: they're focusing on Asian elephants in particular, as our environment correspondent Navings

17:25: Singh Kanka has been telling me.

17:27: Unlike with African elephants, the issue with these elephants is that they are now deprived

17:33: of their habitat because forests are shrinking.

17:37: And then that is why they come in contact with humans and there is conflict, retaliatory killing as it is known.

17:44: And also, not to forget, the infrastructure building across all these countries, roads,

17:49: railways, bridges, canals obstruct their migratory paths.

17:54: And finally, the tourism industry or even mining elephants are used in all those activities.

18:01: why these animals, they are still so endangered.

18:05: So lots of ways in which mankind is getting in the way of the elephants.

18:09: What about what governments are doing to try and stop this decline?

18:13: We don't see very much good stories.

18:15: One example often quoted in Myanmar, they identified 170,000 square kilometers for elephants,

18:22: but then what they also found later on by an independent investigation was only 7% of

18:26: that 170,000 square kilometers of ophebidad was protected.

18:31: How does this play out in India and Nepal, past the world that you know so well?

18:36: We all know about Assam tea, for example.

18:38: So I went to this Assam tea states.

18:40: We found these tea states were actually spreading right on where the traditional elephant's migratory roots are.

18:48: So now what they find is, instead of their forests or waterholes, they find tea.

18:54: And tea is something elephants don't eat.

18:56: They're very angry about it.

18:58: And that's why what happens is, if elephants gets into villages,

19:01: kill people and then people in turn kill elephants, that story is being played out, not just in Putan or India, but also in Nepal and elsewhere.

19:09: And then if you look at India's social media, we'll see trains knocking off elephants, even calves being killed on tracks.

19:17: We need to identify where are those traditional

19:21: migratory roots and then think about the solutions

19:25: that you could dovetail with your development plans.

19:28: Otherwise, what happens is,

19:29: Elvents will keep on getting angry,

19:31: seeing those tea states or palm oil forests

19:34: or rubber plantations instead of their natural forests.

19:38: Our environment correspondent, Navingsin Kadke.

19:41: Now to football, and we know the four teams

19:42: still in contention to win the Women's World Cup.

19:45: The co-hosts of Australia

19:47: survived a tense penalty shootout to defeat France.

19:50: England came from behind to beat Colombia.

19:53: Our correspondent in Sydney Shima Halil watched the day's action.

19:57: I think I've aged 10 years and almost lost my voice in those two matches.

20:01: The good news is this has been one of the most entertaining, exciting, nerve-wracking days of the whole tournament.

20:08: First off, let's start with Australia versus France.

20:11: It was neck and neck until the very last minute and that penalty shootout.

20:15: There was just collective gasps and intakes of breath with every hit and miss.

20:20: And then onto the England Columbia game.

20:23: And we all knew that this wasn't going to be an easy game.

20:26: Colombia, this underdog of a team, have delivered some of the most dramatic and memorable moments.

20:33: But I must say Kudos to England's defense, Kudos to that team that just kept running and running.

20:39: And of course, these two goals from Lauren Hemp to equalize with Colombia.

20:42: And then the winning goal from Alicear Russo, I think they delivered the win that so many

20:48: fans have wanted and I will tell you right now I'm calling it.

20:52: Align us versus the Matilda's game is going to break so many records in terms of

20:56: viewership. I understand that 4,000 England fans have traveled for the World Cup.

21:00: Some of them wanted tickets and they couldn't have them so the next best

21:03: thing is that they came to the fan zone and I think what's really interesting is

21:08: the confidence that they have in the team that even though they were quite

21:12: nervous about how they performed against Nigeria every time I ask

21:17: about how they felt about the line as they just said, were confident.

21:21: The rival release is going to be there.

21:22: But I will say this, I think the atmosphere is going to be electric.

21:27: I think on the pitch, they both have a point to prove.

21:31: Both teams know that there are a couple of steps away from making history for their country and their squads.

21:35: So it is going to be a very strong game.

21:38: I think it's going to get really, really physical.

21:40: But I think off the pitch it's going to be very, very enjoyable.

21:44: And I think maybe I'll age another 10 years watching that game. watching that game. I correspond on Shima Halil. Let's hear from some fans now. Here's the reaction of some Australia supporters watching in Sydney. Oh my God,

21:54: I'm tied in my life. My jersey software. My jersey. Oh my God.

21:59: And here's England fan Jessica

22:01: who watched the game in her hometown of donkester. It's amazing. I'm so

22:05: happy with the way that they played and they've been pushing through.

22:07: And that's all they can do is hold

22:08: their own and push to the next round. And that's the most important thing that it's amazing also for

22:13: young players to look up to these

22:15: players and know that it's possible to make it there and that the women's game is just

22:19: growing every year, so it was awesome.

22:21: The first of the two semi-finals on Tuesday between Sweden and Spain.

22:26: At State with Football, he's the captain of the English team, the country's record goal

22:30: scorer, but Harry Kane's first night playing in the German Bundesliga certainly hasn't gone to plan.

22:36: Brought on as a replacement striker on Saturday, the day he signed for Bayern Munich, they

22:41: then lost the German Super Cup final to RB Leipzig.

22:45: I've been talking to Joe Inwood who spent the day outside the stadium in Munich, so not

22:49: the dream start that Harry Kane might have wanted.

22:52: No, but I think it probably would have been too good to be true how he'd come on and brought

22:57: by and down back from 2-0 down to Arby Leipzig.

23:01: He barely, the truth is, he didn't get much of a touch of the ball.

23:04: He came on in about the sixth-deus minute or so.

23:07: He ran around gamely, but I think it was beyond even a man of his prodigious talents.

23:11: I mean, it's worth pointing out.

23:13: Harry Kane wouldn't have even had a chance to train properly with his new teammates.

23:18: In the end, they lost three now.

23:19: So Harry Kane's 19 year wait for silverware continues, at least for this day,

23:25: probably until the end of the season.

23:27: Harry Kane's been at Tottenham Hotspur,

23:29: the English Premier League club for 20 years.

23:32: Here, as I said, the England captain, record goal scorer.

23:35: Why does he want to go and play in Germany?

23:37: A number of reasons.

23:37: I mean, firstly, it's a lovely country

23:39: to be in to live in its beautiful city that he has here in Munich.

23:43: But I think in terms of the football, he got some great clubs.

23:46: Buying is a fantastic side.

23:48: Obviously a great international reputation, highest quality football, but also very well run.

23:53: It's one of the things that's commonly said about German clubs is they don't overspend.

23:58: He is indeed the most expensive player any German clubs ever bought.

24:01: And I think they know it's going to be a well run team.

24:03: But more than that, the reason Harry Kane wanted to come here is to win trophies.

24:08: And it's worth, you know, this cup, the super cup that they didn't win today.

24:11: They've won for six of the seven previous seasons.

24:14: They've won more than 10 Bundesliga's in a row.

24:17: So I think it probably would be assumed that he will win trophies if he comes here,

24:21: even if he didn't do it today.

24:22: Joe Inwood in Munich.

24:24: Campaigners in Britain have raised concerns that betting firms are targeting

24:28: adverts at players of the online game Fantasy Premier League or FPL, which is popular with children.

24:34: Millions of people around the world play FPL,

24:37: what you have to do is pick a team of footballers and then you earn points based on their real

24:41: life performance. Anyone over 13 can play as a result. It's a target for the global gambling

24:48: industry recruiting their next generation of customers. Rob Wayne is an FPL content creator.

24:54: I cannot think of many major fantasy Premier League websites that do not advertise gambling.

25:01: or have some form of affiliation with a gambling company or a subsidiary of a gambling company.

25:07: And those major websites have signed pretty much every major content creator of fantasy football and fantasy Premier League.

25:15: Tom Grundey, tell me more about the game. It's huge, I think last year,

25:20: 11 million people signed up in total and just under half of those are in the UK.

25:24: So that's an awful lot of people around the world. But there's also this huge subculture community

25:30: that's grown up around it as well, made up of independent websites, not affiliated to the

25:35: Premier League, content creators, with thousands of followers, or all making a living based on

25:41: sharing tools and tips to do with FPL. And that seems to be where these betting companies are

25:47: trying to find a way in. We know how big the English Premier League is with our listeners all

25:51: over the world on the World Service, particularly with the biggest clubs. Gambling is clearly part of

25:56: football, it's just suddenly becoming part of this app.

26:00: Yeah, basically we've got these independent sites and people are telling me that the

26:06: betting community have probably seen similarities between the game, fantasy, premier league, it's

26:11: played by predominantly young men, young men who are clearly interested in sport and that

26:17: ticks a lot of the box same boxes as people who do traditional sports betting as well.

26:23: And certainly some of the charities we've been speaking to, one of which, led on the

26:26: campaign to get betting ads off Premier League football shirts, they think that the betting

26:32: industry C, FPL is fertile ground basically for the next generation of customers and potentially addicts.

26:39: And there are different rules governing gambling, especially gambling with any sense of targeting

26:44: people under 18 in different countries, but when something's been played internationally, you can get round all that.

26:50: Yeah, and that's the thing with perhaps a content creator sending a tweet, for example,

26:55: that's promoted by a betting company. Certain people in certain jurisdictions around the world are going to be seeing that where potentially gambling is illegal.

27:04: And actually, fantasy sports has a really interesting relationship with gambling regulation around the world.

27:10: One of the big companies that we've seen sponsoring stuff around FPL is DraftKings.

27:15: And they're one of the biggest gambling companies in the US.

27:19: The reason that they became so big

27:21: is because there was such tight gambling regulation

27:24: in certain states in the US that actually paid fancy sports

27:28: with prizes and in a sort of fancy format.

27:31: We're seen as a way of getting round

27:33: and getting across these tight gambling rules.

27:35: And even though they've been lessened in states now,

27:38: companies like Draftkings and Fan, Joule are still huge and have a huge market share.

27:44: Grondi reporting. Switzerland is known for its snowy peaks and sky-scraping alpine glaciers.

27:51: But just like glaciers all over the world, warmer global temperatures are seeing them start to melt away.

27:56: One glacial scientist, Matthias Huss, decided to save the last bit of his favourite glacier

28:02: and it's in his own freezer. Matthias is a senior researcher at the Swiss Federal Institute of

28:08: Technology in Zurich and has been talking to Rebecca Kesby.

28:12: This pital glacier is a very small glacier in Switzerland. It has been studied since more than

28:18: 100 years and since 18 years at the beginning of my PhD, I went up there to look at it in more detail

28:25: doing measurements on this glacier at least twice a year and it has strongly declined in

28:31: area and thickness and it has now almost completely disappeared.

28:37: How did you know that it was going to disappear?

28:39: Well, it became thinner and thinner and then about four years ago it started to fall apart.

28:45: So different pieces of it split off and more and more rocks started to protrude out of the ice.

28:52: So it all went very, very fast in the last few years. So in 2022 after this extreme melting

28:59: event of that summer, I need to stop the measurements. And now there was just this little tiny piece

29:05: of eyes left that I knew it was still old glacier eyes but just basically a few square meters

29:11: and I thought well now it's a time to go up there one last time and save a bit of this ice.

29:17: I put it in my own freezer for the moment I will probably put it at ETH later to the university

29:23: but it's not for scientific reasons so it's not for scientific analysis but it's really just

29:27: for emotional reasons it's to save this little part of my baby glacier that I'm very attached

29:35: on to because obviously climate change will put a complete end to this ice this year probably maybe

29:42: maybe next year but then it's over. I mean you say it's not for scientific research but we do

29:46: know that glacial ice does contain history doesn't it in its own way which may be useful

29:53: scientifically? Yes exactly so one can analyze glacier ice in very much detail but this is not

29:59: feasible for these glaciers at low, relatively low elevation that are so small. So if you go to

30:06: Antarctica, to Greenland, or at the very high elevation of the Alps, then you can actually analyze

30:12: the history of the Earth's climate out of the glacier ice. But as I said, this is for the bigger

30:17: ice masses and it's much more demanding than what I did here. The Glacier scientists Matthias us in Switzerland.