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Hello, this is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service with reports and analysis
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from across the world, the latest news seven days a week. BBC World Service podcasts are
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supported by advertising. This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service.
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I'm Andrew Peach and at 13 hours GMT on Thursday 10 August, these are our main stories.
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Ukraine has told vulnerable people in an area close to Russian front lines to leave immediately
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because of an increase in Russian attacks.
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The leaders of the Kuwaiti Niger are announcing
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you government as West African countries consider military intervention.
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And an Ecuadorian presidential candidate is assassinated just two weeks before the polls open.
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Also in this podcast,
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I understand that they want to put him away for life.
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It's hard for me.
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while people in Russia say they're living in fear as former Wagner troops return home.
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The Ukrainian authorities have issued a mandatory evacuation order around the city of
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Kopiansk and surrounding areas in the Harkiv region due to what they say is intense Russian
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shelling. Earlier, a Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konoshenkov claimed successes in the
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region. In the Kopiansk region, assault troops have made advances along the front
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line during offensive operations. During the day, counter-attacked by the armed forces
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of Ukraine were successfully repelled in the Lugansk People's Republic and in the Harkiv region.
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Ukraine's military said the situation around Kupiansk was difficult but under control.
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Kupiansk was one of several cities and towns in Ukraine recaptured last September.
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In recent weeks, Russia has been trying to take the cities and towns again.
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Our correspondent Huga Bachega is just back from Ukraine and told me more.
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It's interesting because over the last few weeks and months we've been talking about the
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counteroffensive in the east of the country, in Donyass, also in the Zapodizia region of Ukraine.
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But this is happening in the northeast of the country. So perhaps far away from those areas where
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the Ukrainians are trying to make some gains. This is happening in the hard-killed region.
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And the Ukrainians are saying that this is now the main direction of the Russian offensive.
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So they're trying to make some gains there in the Kupeansk region of Ukraine.
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And now we're having this announcement of a mandatory evacuation in 37 settlements in this part of the country.
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And what we're seeing is that we've seen reports in recent days suggesting that fighting has intensified in this area.
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and I think today the message from the local authorities making this announcement said that
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Russia has been shelling this area for almost every day and they're trying to advance in this
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direction. And I think what is interesting is that the Deputy Defence Minister in Ukraine
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earlier this week said that Russian forces had formed a large group that is now attempting to
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break through Ukrainian defenses in that part of the country and people talking about tens of
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thousands of Russian forces now in their part of the country.
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So we're going to hear more about our suspect.
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And also Ukraine's navy wants a humanitarian corridor to get its ships out of ports where
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they've been trapped for a long time now back into the Black Sea.
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How will that work?
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That's a very good question.
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So the announcement was made today by the Ukrainian authorities that this humanitarian corridor
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is going to be created to let dozens of ships there are now trapped in Ukrainian ports to sail
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into the Black Sea. Obviously, this is perhaps the way that the Ukrainians have come up with
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to let these ships sail into the Black Sea after the collapse of the grain deal. So we don't know
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how this is going to work. We haven't had any kind of reaction from Moscow. Obviously, Russia
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has been saying that any ship could be considered a military target in that part of the world.
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What the Ukrainers are saying is that they're going to put cameras on the ships to show that
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this is a humanitarian mission with no military purpose, but we don't know how this is going to work.
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Here you go, Bashaga, who's just back from Ukraine.
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Two weeks after the coup that toppled Niger's president, Mohammed Basoum, the regional
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grouping of West African countries, Ekko Was, hasn't yet said how it intends to resolve the crisis.
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Today, ECOWAS leaders are meeting in Nigeria's capital of Boudre to talk about whether to seek a
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diplomatic solution or take military action. There's also been concern expressed by the US, France
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and the UN Secretary-General about the health of the former president who's being held by the
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coup leaders. Africa editor Andrew Harding told me more about the divide within ECOWAS.
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Sierra Leone, Guinea-Bissau, Burundi, Senegal, key players in an organization a grouping that
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had at some stage been able to intervene militarily in a number of countries, but these days it's
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a lot more complicated and it's I think far from clear whether their initial threats to use
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military force in Niger to restore democracy can be followed through. It couldn't happen without
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Nigeria's endorsement and right now Nigeria has problems of its own priorities of its own
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and there is a sense, I think, a growing sense that people in Nigeria and in other countries
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want to give negotiations, diplomacy and economic sanctions a bit more of a chance to work,
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to see if they can cut some sort of deal with the coup leaders in Niger to edge them towards
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some sort of promise of a transition. Certainly no sign thus far, two weeks into this coup that
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that the military are going to stand down.
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They've even announced a new cabinet today.
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That's right.
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Very much forging ahead of you like,
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and clearly the timing meant to send that message
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to these regional leaders meeting across the border.
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They've also perhaps been turning up
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screws by continuing to keep the president, you mentioned, President Bazoum, who's essentially being held hostage
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at his presidential compound in Niyama, in Niger's capital.
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and growing reports of concern from the Americans and others about the conditions in which the
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President and his family are being kept. And concerns too about the possibility, at least in
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the future at some point, that Russia might try to exploit this period of instability by sending
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invagna mercenaries as they've done with some success in neighbouring Marley and elsewhere.
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Our Africa editor Andrew Harding.
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The Ecuadorian President Guillermo Lasso has said the country's presidential election
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will go ahead as planned this month after a candidate was shot dead at an event in the capital Keto.
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Fernando V. Avicencio was killed in a burst of gunfire as he was getting into his car.
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A state of emergency is now in force.
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Mr. V. Avicencio's friend Dr. Carlos Figueroa described how he found out about the death.
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I was assisting two patients that arrived in Jolt. I thought Fernando made it out, but
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when I went to the clinic to help injured patients, I entered the emergency room and I saw
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Fernando was dead. He didn't have vital signs.
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Alas and America editor is Vanessa Bushluter. Carlos from whom we've just been hearing
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their described the scene of the murder.
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He and Fernando Yaví Sencio left a campaign event at 6.20
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in the afternoon in the capital Kito, this campaign event in the center of
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Kito in the financial district held at a
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previous building that had been a school previously, had run very well.
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He'd shake in hands with voters and 30 seconds after he left the building,
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there was a hail of bullets, Fernando Villavicentio received three bullets to the head and died
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and nine people were also injured in this horrific attack.
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A way to deal with who might be behind this?
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Yes, a gang calling themselves Los Lobos, the wolves, has claimed responsibility for this killing.
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They released a video in which they wave around their rifles and threaten other politicians.
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This is a surprising development because I think most people in Ecuador, including myself,
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had thought that a different gang called Los Choneros was behind this killing because
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Los Choneros had threatened Fernando Villavicencio just last week.
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They had threatened his life and Fernando Villavicencio had been giving a security detail,
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But that security detail was not able to save us life when he was attacked last night.
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And in terms of the state of emergency, what does that mean for the conduct of the election that obviously is ongoing?
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There were some voices in Ecuador which questioned whether the election maybe should be put on hold
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or delayed, but it is going ahead.
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And many actually quoting Fernando Vifencio, Viva Vifencio himself, who said just weeks ago
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when a different politician, a local mayor was killed, he said that people should not
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be cowed, that democracy should continue. So I think in his honour, the elections will
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go ahead. And of course it is a, you know, important exercise in democracy to hold this presidential election.
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Arlesn America editor Vanessa Bushluter. In Hawaii, the number of deaths resulting from
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wildfires on Maui Island has risen to 36. The worst affected area is the popular
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Resort City of Lahaina, which has been almost totally burnt to the ground.
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Mason Jarvey, who suffered burns fleeing the fire in Lahaina, said the situation there was devastating.
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I resident of Lahaina for about 18 years and we just have the worst disaster I've ever seen.
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All behind is burnt to crisp and it's like on fog lips.
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Over 2,000 people have been displaced and moved to special shelters or hotels.
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of the federal emergency management agency urged people to be cautious.
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They're still fire going on, life's being saved, so please follow your local officials,
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listen to their message and make sure you're safe, make sure you have a plan, make sure
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that if you have questions you're working with your local officials.
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To find out more, I spoke to CBS correspondent Jared Hill.
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One of the things, Andrew, that we know here is that because of the conditions on the
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ground. It had been difficult for officials really to get through a significant portion
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of the island of Maui to be able to tell exactly who was unaccounted for because they were
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sheltering in a car or a hotel without access to a phone to tell people or if they had in
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fact died. And while we don't know the circumstances around any of these deaths at this point,
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again it does appear that as they're able to get more onto the island they're learning
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more about just the level of destruction here.
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Do we know about what's happening in Hawaii now?
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It's nighttime on the islands, of course,
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and the authorities continue to do their work in the wake of what's happened.
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Yeah, so there are kind of two things that are happening.
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Here, one, there are the efforts to continue putting out these fires,
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which had been raging really on that island for hours there.
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So there's the fires-oppression effort,
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but then there is also this certain rescue mission that is continuing to happen.
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Again, trying to see where people might be and get folks to safety.
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There's also an effort here to make sure that the people who have been able to evacuate
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the island of Maui have somewhere to go.
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There are shelters that have been set up on some of the neighboring islands.
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There are also efforts to get people on planes to be able to fly out so that they can worry
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as little as possible about people that might be on the island and just try and focus
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on getting the fire out and making sure that it's safe for anyone to return it a later date.
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And the last thing we need is more communities affecting.
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the weather forecast in terms of controlling the fire versus the possibility of more fires breaking out or spreading.
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Right, so the winds have died down significantly from the peak of this.
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Remember, this is all related largely to a hurricane.
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They didn't actually touch the island of Maui, but the winds helped to fuel some of these flames.
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Those winds have died down, which have allowed for the crews there to continue with their
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fire suppression, getting helicopters in the air to down some of these fires with water.
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continue for as long as it takes.
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CBS correspondent Jared Hill. The Vagler group of Russian mercenaries has now
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ended its deployment in Ukraine and that means many of the fighters it
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recruited from prisons including murderers are now free. But as Arseny Sokolov reports,
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not everyone is ready to welcome them.
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A village hole in southern Russia. A young woman in a crazily potent
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Being a blue jumpsuit with waist-length brown hair is dancing with a group of excited children.
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Organizing parties and games for young people is 19-year-old Tatiana Mastika's first job, and she loves it.
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But hours after one event like this, back in April, Tatiana was murdered.
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By a gang whose alleged ring leaders should have been safely behind bars, serving time for another murder.
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But he had been let out years early to fight in Ukraine, let out and pardoned.
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Thanks to this man, Yvgeny Prigorzhen found out the mercenary company Wagner.
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He taught prisons to recruit tons of sowns of convicted murderous rapists and robbers.
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They were used to kill Ukrainians in the bloodiest battles of the war, and many of them lost their lives too.
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But those who survived have now left Wagner and are walking the streets of Russia again.
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And in some cases already committing new crimes.
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How could you raise your hand against the child?
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Someone who wasn't threatening you in any way, a child who had just started to leave, for whom all doors were open?
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That's Nadezhda Plyshkov.
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The mother of the children's entertainer Tatiana Mastika.
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Tatiana's body and that of her bosch, Kirochupko, were found buried in Woodland in the Krasnodar region in early May.
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Three suspects have been arrested in connection with the killing.
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One of them, Zimjan Kivarkan, who denies any wrongdoing, had already been serving an 18-year sentence for crimes including murder.
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But he was released after only six years to fight a new crane.
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Then, like other criminal recruits, he was free to go home with a pardon.
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Let me draw your attention to the word pardon.
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That's not the same as Amnesty.
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Olga Romanovna is the founder of Russia Behind Boss, an organization campaigning for prison reform.
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A pardon is given to an individual personally by the president himself, and the law says it comes after reconciliation with a victim and a good report from prison.
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None of this happens when Wagner criminals are pardoned, but even so, they can restart their lives with a clean slate.
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Indeed, they are officially regarded as heroes.
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At least 20 serious crimes by former Wagner convicts have been reported.
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Murders, rapes, grievous bodily harm.
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But the real number may be greater, because it's now illegal in Russia to discredit anyone
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involved in what's officially called the special military operation.
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law could in theory even be used against the police themselves.
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Lach numbers of mourners attended the funerals of the children's entertainer's Kirilchupko and Tatiana Mastika.
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And since then, tens of thousands of people in Krasnada have signed a petition to demand
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that the chief suspect, Demyan Kivarkan, gets a life sentence if he is convicted of the murders.
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Tatiana's mother, Nadiazda, doesn't think it will have much effect.
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Of course, I understand who was responsible for my daughter's death, and I know he had the previous conviction.
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I'm not stupid.
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I understand that they want to put him away for life.
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But that's not what it is.
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It's hard for me.
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Sorry.
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In today's Russia she thinks, the victims of so-called heroes can't expect real justice.
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I'll send you soccer love reporting.
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Still to come in this podcast, an announcement for Tate of Swift fans as the US dates on her record breaking tour come to an end.
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In the US, a man who made violent threats against President Biden has been shot dead by the FBI
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in Utah. The shooting happened while agents were attempting to serve him with an arrest warrant,
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just hours before Mr. Biden's planned visit to the state. Our correspondent in Washington is Nomiya
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Ikbar. The suspect's name was Craig Robinson. We understand he was 75 years old. And there was
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was a criminal complaint that had already been filed in the district court of Utah regarding
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serious concerns about him. So one of the charges that he was facing was threats against
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the president. I've got the criminal complaint in front of me. But FBI agents conducted a
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surveillance of his home back in March. They wanted to talk to him about his social media
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posts. He told them according to the complaint to come back with an arrest warrant which they did.
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Now when you look at the criminal complaint and the evidence that they had compiled against
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him, including social media posts that he'd put up and they're very dark messages.
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They show violence towards President Biden and other notable Democrats, also glorifying guns.
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One particular post which worried agents and that has been cited in the criminal complainters
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when he posted, I hear Biden is coming to Utah, cleaning the dust of the M24 sniper rifle, welcome buffoon in chief.
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Now we haven't been given any details on exactly what led to the shooting although our
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party stations, CBS says, or enforcement sources told them that there was a gunfire of
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some sort. And the FBI told the BBC in a statement that they're following their policy which
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is to now refer the case to the agency for a review.
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Nomeo Apal in Washington. The World Bank has suspended new loans to Uganda in the wake
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of a tough new law against same-sex relations. There's already been a negative reaction on
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the markets with the Ugandan shilling weakening sharply after the announcement.
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My colleague Divina Gupta spoke to Fabrice O'Dar, an advisor with Open for Business, a coalition
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of leading global companies dedicated to LGBT inclusion, formerly of the World Bank.
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He explains how significant this decision is for Uganda.
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The budget of the Ugandan government is very reliant on external aid.
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In fact, the budget of the government is about 13 or 14 billion dollars and you could see
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that 1 billion dollar usually comes from the war bank.
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But there is another aspect to it which is that the budget of the U.K. and government
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is also dependent on boring from various sources.
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Is this sort of intervention by the World Bank enough for the government in Uganda to reconsider their decision?
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On the side of the wall bank, the objective is not so much for the Ugon-Dun government to reconsider the anti-omosexuality act.
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It is to say, well, look, it's impossible for us to have effective development project
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if you intentionally bar an entire segment of your population from benefiting from development efforts.
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But in effect, then, a lot of questions have been asked, and especially by listeners as
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as well whether this sort of ends up being counterproductive and hurting locals in Uganda.
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That's a very legitimate question, right?
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Which is, ultimately, the poorest in Uganda
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are the victims of the political manipulation
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of LGBTQ plus people by President Musevini.
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But ultimately, the World Bank,
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if it wants to respect its policies,
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cannot land to Uganda, if Uganda refused to acknowledge knowledge that there are LGBT people,
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that are deserving of development efforts in the country.
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And you know, one of the things that I said today
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is that the World Bank would have done the same thing
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if we were talking about other underrepresented minorities.
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Like if there was a similar piece of legislation
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on daily people in India or butch, what people in Congo or Roma people in Europe,
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the World Bank would have been in the same situation
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in having to say, well, look, we cannot continue
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to a new lending activity until you have solved this problem.
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For Bruce O'Dars.
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In other LGBT news today, Iraqi authorities have ordered media outlets when referring
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to the topic to refer to homosexual acts as sexual deviance and to also avoid using the term gender in broadcasts or publications.
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A government spokesman said the order still requires final approval and at a penalty
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for violating the rule hadn't yet been set but could include a fine.
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and C1 is a journalist in Iraq.
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Let's not forget that this is only a resolution.
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It's not necessarily a law.
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Therefore, it cannot be like put into the law and imposed on these people.
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However, there are very dangerous implications of such resolutions,
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because the community is already suffering from a law.
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They are already been persecuted for being who they are.
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And this will in the long term, may cause even more harmful implications
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this will cause what is already a culture, a society that does not accept these people,
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will just cause them to antagonize against the community even more. It's not said yet how the
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order is going to be carried out whether there will be, I don't know, people will be arrested
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or they will be fine for this, but even if there is a payment or a fine regarding the use of
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the word homosexuality or even gender for that matter, it's going to be very bad for journalists
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us that are covering such stories and covering the lives of the LGBT community.
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I didn't see one in Iraq. Australia's national science agency and Boeing have announced plans to
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develop sustainable domestic jet fuel. A craft will be powered by renewable sources and that could
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significantly cut carbon emissions. From Sydney, our correspondent, Phil Mercer. Research has
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said that Australia has enough agricultural waste, animal fats and vegetable oils to make almost
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5 billion litres of sustainable aviation fuel by 2025. A Boeing 747 jumbo carries about 240,000
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litres of fuel. By changing the molecular structure of waste products, using a range of different
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pressures and temperatures and sometimes adding hydrogen, scientists believe they can create a fuel
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that's almost identical to its traditional kerosene cousin.
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Max Temminghoff is from the CSIRO, Australia's National Science Agency.
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Sustainable aviation fuel or SAF for short is a safe replacement for fossil-drived conventional jet fuel.
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Instead of being produced from crude oil, it's generated from non-fossil raw materials or feedstocks.
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And the beauty of that is that it provides a net reduction in CO2 emissions when compared
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to its fossil-derived quifflet. SAF costs up to two to four times as much as conventional jet fuel.
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Apart from costs, various other challenges must be overcome in Australia. They include
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guaranteeing the supply of raw materials and conforming to international regulations.
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The International Energy Agency has said that aviation accounts for about 2% of global
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or CO2 emissions, but it's one of the most challenging sectors to decarbonize.
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The IEA has also asserted that planned production of sustainable aviation fuels would satisfy
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just a small fraction of demand by 2027.
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Quantess Australia's National Carrier wants 10% of its fuel to come from sustainable
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sources by the end of the decade.
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Mercer in Sydney. It was the final date of Taylor Swift's record-breaking tour at the
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Sophie Stadium in Los Angeles. Fans had an idea something special might happen, some kind of
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announcement. They were right. A new album called 1989 Taylor's version is on the way in a couple
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of months in October. I own a hampson is here with more. So just explain to us what the Taylor's
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version of each album is. Yes, a Taylor Swift has been on a personal mission for the last couple
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of years to re-release her first six studio albums. The reason for this is that in 2019,
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she came in a dispute with her former record label Big Machine Records,
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the founder and the new owner who wanted to sell all of her six albums that they owned
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their masters of to a private equity company. It's estimated this was sold for about $300 million.
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Taylor Swift was not happy about this because they were the masters. They could control things
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like the licensing of the song, so whether it's used in an advert or a film, for instance.
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So what she's been doing is re-releasing these songs, which are almost covers of her songs in that sort of technical way.
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The strip back a bit.
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Absolutely.
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A bit more acoustic.
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For sure.
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So what the differences are, of course, has sound a bit more mature, her voices mature,
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but there are just like differences in the production, some of the lyrics, so there
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are differences, and you find that with Taylor Swift fans, they'd much rather listen to the
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Taylor Swift versions, the Taylor versions of it rather than the originals.
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Okay. Now, the announcement on the 9th of August to be
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next expected because she dropped hints. They're all to do with numbers. I think the hints,
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aren't they? I mean, what dates something's going to happen, that kind of thing.
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Taylor Swift loves to give clues to her fans and her fans love to try and understand them,
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whether they're in her music videos or on social media.
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With this social media post that she released today, she was talking about how 1989 is one of
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of her favorite re-records, there'll be five new, unreleased tracks, which she says are
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some of the best that she can't even believe they were ever left behind.
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So this will be really exciting for Taylor Swift fans.
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And this comes at the end of the North America section of her Ears tour, which has broken
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all kinds of records and even caused earth tremors in Canada a few days ago.
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That's correct.
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This is a huge tour, 44 songs that are divided into a 10 acts, three hours long, so it is a marathon to get through.
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And what's amazing about this is that the Eri's tour is expected to be the highest
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groting tour of all time, which is expected to have $1 billion in sales.
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This even surpasses Elton John's record, his farewell yellow brick road tour, so this
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just shows how big this achievement is.
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Lots of talk about Taylor Swift online today.
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Thanks, Leonor.
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And that's all from us for now.
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Before we go, though, clarification of the item we carried in the last edition of the
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global news podcast about the death of the musician's sister Rodrigues. We
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inadvertently suggested that he was popular in South Africa among young black
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people protesting against apartheid. However, a number of listeners have been in
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touch to say his popularity was predominantly among white South Africans and we say
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thank you to those of you who pointed that out to us. Thank you. If you'd like to
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get in touch about anything in this podcast and the stories we include it, drop us an email, globalpodcastatbbc.co.uk, your
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find us on Twitter at Global NewsPod. This edition was mixed by Chris Lovelock, the producer
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was Ione Hapson, the editor is Karen Martin. My name is Andrew Peach, thanks for listening, and until next time, goodbye.
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World Football, the Women's World Cup, is the podcast telling the global story of the tournament.
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We have so proud of our team, hope our guests.
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We're speaking to the fans who have traveled down under as they share all the excitement of this incredible competition.
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Oh my god!
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I think we're still in the running, they go all the way.
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I'm really, really proud of Vietnam music.
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This is probably the biggest moment in their careers and Australians right behind them.
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