From Vanderpump Rules to Motherhood and everywhere in between, it's time to catch up with Scheana Shay. This is Scheananigans. And now, here's your host, Scheana Shay. Welcome back to Scheananigans in New York City. I was just saying on my vlog intro, I feel like this is now my second home for the podcast. I've been here so many times in the last month. For those of you watching, I'm wearing my new merch. Justice is served. And we've got one of my favorite people on this planet in the chair across from me here at WTF Studios.
Mr. Nema Vand. I'm always excited when you come to New York City. Me too. It's always. Can we tell the audience that I'm not feeling that well? Yes. I came off of a... He's not feeling good as gold. Yes. Great plug-in. I came off a production, a red-eye last night. Yeah. We're going to get into all that. But because you're in New York, this is an occasion. So we're powering through today. I also skipped a Yankees game in a suite tonight because we already had this podcast scheduled.
We're recording it just a couple days before it comes out. And work comes first. Yankees come after that. And I was already at a Padres game. I threw out the first pitch. I don't think it gets much better than that in baseball this week. Yeah. That's a great stadium too. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It was an actual, literal dream come true for me. You and Ariana doing that? Awesome. So you got to do that with my best friend.
A sport that I played my entire life basically. I started playing baseball when I was seven. Yeah. I think people in the podcast know about your aunt. But I don't think the Instagram world knew about your aunt. Yeah. So good old great aunt Shirley was in original Rockford Peach. She's in the movie A League of Their Own. And for those of you watching, I'm going to pop up her baseball card right here. She was a legend.
She passed away last year. And I was just like, oh, if only she could have seen me do that. It was something I always talked about doing. And the Padres made it happen. So safe to say I am a Padres man. And this is like your sixth or seventh New York trip in the last like three months. Literally, I've been here so much. Isn't New York the best? I love it. It is the best. It's the best.
If you don't live in New York City, like I was such an LA guy. I was in LA forever. Like I was an LA apologist. I still am an LA apologist. Like the teams I love. But I was such a like, no, fuck New York. Like LA is the best. There, all the cliches, all the cliches are true. Like there's something so magical. I actually think my like energy as a human being shifted from New York City.
Yeah. Like the product, the people that I was around, the work that I'm doing, just the city in general. Like, yeah, I mean, I honestly wish I would have come here when I was like 24. If you're listening to this and you're like 22 to 28, like move to New York City. Do it. Do a year. Yeah. I was driving past like NYU to get here. And I was just thinking, what a fun college experience. Like I would love for summer to have an actual legitimate college experience because I went to college.
I graduated. I got my broadcast journalism degree and all of that, but it was a small private Christian university. There were no sororities. It was like, if we wanted to go to a frat party, we would go to LA and go to UCLA and I cannot picture you at a Christian university. Yeah. I can't like, cause I feel those are so buttoned up and I feel like you would just be out there like singing good as gold.
And just like, you know, like making out with people or like having your living your life cause in college I was wild. I mean, I was doing most of that, not singing good as gold. The song wasn't out yet, but making out with the baseball team for sure. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Yeah. So you were just in LA. I got the pleasure. I've seen you. Yeah. One of my favorite people in LA and in New York all in the same week.
I love this week. It was awesome. I mean, so like directing is a thing. I'm not going to bore the audience with directing. No one fucking cares. I get it. It's a drag. I care. I appreciate that, but it's a really cool thing when directing crosses over to like the Bravo world. Yeah. And I'm out of the Bravo world now, but like we. had a client I'm not gonna say it's about friday right yeah so duracell duracell had a campaign with ariana and when they found out duracell's obviously a client of vayner when they found out that like I knew ariana we were all sort of part of the same group of friends it was just like oh yeah like we want her to feel comfortable like we should do that yeah and it was
A real like world's crossing because I don't know if you know this but in the agency world when they like pitch an idea to a client this is every ad agency they send a deck like production companies agencies they fucking love decks and it's usually like the brand here's the idea here's how we're going to go about it and it's like they're trying to get the client to understand the vision and like dabs staff on page number two like giant photo obviously was the context of like why this is what what what is happening in the vanderverse right someone should fucking coin that vanderverse is that a thing vanderverse yeah oh my god no it's like the multiverse yeah well so they like you're explaining and literally on page two a giant photo of ariana
Raquel and tom just like on in my email in my inbox and I was like this is a fucking weird life moment you know like here I'm having a like a conversation with a client about like a girl that I used to hang out with thanks to you nobody would get into the raquel of it all like nobody would have ever known that wasn't for you but yeah so it's like you're starting to see I think is like vanderpump and the vanderverse I'm gonna trademark that as the vanderverse starts to expand you're gonna start seeing like real media yeah like brands I mean you guys at uber one that's a huge fucking thing uber one is good right so it's like you're gonna start seeing more of that and so I feel like there's gonna
Be a lot more cross pollinization between me because if you're a if they want to director yeah I keep telling sheena like I want to do one with you yeah because if you're gonna direct something in coach why not why not and you actually have like legit acting what did I just see of you dude I just oh my god was it the jonas brothers pizza girl the jonas brothers and I've known you for years and like I think I might be the only person that did not know that and when I tell you I was in my bed in new york city high off edible and I watched that entire video like in I was like oh my god like the music video or the like full episode no the music video oh okay
Oh I watched the video I watched the song they're all in love with you and I was like how the fuck did this never come up so yeah so I think you're gonna see a lot more of that yeah it was amazing by the way so sweet yeah so so you were directing a commercial in la at ariana's house and I know you had a bit of an awkward run-in yeah I mean I mean look you guys are my friends right and I know you guys to varying degrees I'm really close with you I know ariana kinda you know but like one thing that always stuck out with me about her was she was always so nice to me like when I would go to these bravo events um there's a lot of like when
You're new there's a lot of like you can't sit with us energy at least in the beginning you know and ariana from day one every time I met her and that might have been built around you like she knew we were cool so like no that's just how she is no matter what cool so it was like she would always come out of her way yeah and be like how are you doing like how are things like how are you enjoying the process and I was always like taken back by like how nice of a human being this person was so yeah it was uh it was nice but when you are directing people in the van was it vanderverse vanderverse yeah vanderverse you have to be mindful like there are real friendships there so
As we were getting ready for the shoot we're inside of ariana's house like we're shooting at her house it's a it's a very sort of like we're it's an intimate space we're coming into your home we're there for a few hours we have a clear script ariana's a pro and by now the campaign is out and it's a really fun creative thing about the batteries I know so no it was so fun seeing you in la because we haven't hung out in la in years forever like pre-pandemic yeah probably yeah no you actually you came over once to my hollywood apartment when summer was a baby and we went to that italian restaurant we podcasted from there was that pr or ar piece that together that was pr okay because brock was there yes yeah
Yeah and it was like janet I think jamie whatever correct janet and jamie were there yeah so they think jamie did the podcast with us and then you drank my breast milk oh my god that's disgusting I remember you but you did it you gave us a shot of it and it wasn't bad yeah but it's just like now I'm like let's know gross disgusting as he feels already sick to his stomach it's the worst thing you get at the moment now all right so so yeah now you're back in new york you have fully set up an awesome life in new york your place is gorgeous the view I got a whole water view I got a whole water situation like that's the dream so how much are you loving living in the city
Because I know you wanted to move for so long yeah I think I think like I outgrew la a little bit and I think bravo had a little bit to do with that bravo in some ways like raised me up I was post-divorce and they were like we're gonna give you a platform and a voice and it's gonna be this really cool thing yeah but the stuff with like mona was super dishonest and disingenuous and like that's why I think I'm always like there's a little bit of a chip on my shoulder for that and then you had like scumbags like reza who like led into that and would talk about it see sheena doesn't want to say anything see that face I'm just listening I'm here to ask the questions you're here you have
People like like him and he's a scumbag like and he would like kind of like dig that more in reunions like shaw's had this like really horrible season eight reunion it was during the pandemic andy literally told us like I did not when we did in a season nine room he was like I did not think there would be a season nine after that he was like that is the worst reunion I've ever experienced with you guys and one of the worst I've ever experienced on bravo because it was like there was there's a lot of love on your cast and like it weaves between the hate and the frustration and I think that's what makes it good in that moment on you you you it was like 95 percent like just disdain for each
Other yeah like five percent like okay we actually do care about each other but like we really don't fucking get along anymore and like that's and that was what andy was feeling he was like I could not believe there was a season nine yeah I remember her page de sorbo told me my favorite story she was like bravo was telling her like you know summer house shouldn't be like something it's getting a little dark like we got to make it more fun you guys and she was like she was like I literally was like the cast of shaw's of sunset like has literal fucking restraining orders against each other and like and we're like arguing at a bar and now and now you guys are in the closet it's like wow like we're both together
On this so yeah yeah that was how it was at that time and it's it's so so you go into new york it's very much a reset in a lot of ways I'm directing full time I'm trying to get in a tv and movie that's the goal I think we're like two years away from that and it's a little bit of like oh yeah like I get to control the narrative now like oh yeah like that whole like you making jokes about my family or like the car that I drive or like you know bravo is full of poser energy that's why I fuck with people like you is because you're authentically who you are like you authentically recorded that song you authentically sang it at sir people are gonna love that or hate that
But like you don't give a fuck 10 years later here we are yeah so like you're laughing last but like mj is the same way right mj is authentically I mean like I we've talked about this I've seen her cans a hundred times like she is exactly what but when you have people on the show who are like faking storylines and trying to be all like present a certain way and I'm coming on the show just to like have fun and tell my life and live this authentically it gets really hard to like want to play the game yeah you know what I mean because it's like oh I'm flexing with bravo money that like you were selling houses before you did this and now you're pretending that you're some like magillionaire this is bravo
Money that's paying for it like I just I don't respect that and so I'm coming into new york where everybody is like at the top of their game but they're also like kind like they're nice people like I I genuinely appreciate it yeah but every time I get sucked back into the bravo verse and everyone it's like literally al pacino like right when I think I'm out they like pull me back in it's because of you you literally pull me back in every single yes so I'm to blame for page huh did did I loop you in there page was on the low page was a low page and I went on like two dates ever but I'm just saying that bravo verse did not come from me that was mj what about jules that
Didn't come from me who the hell is jules don't blame everything oh yeah no but I don't talk about that shit I don't post that I I went on no it just came up on your reunion so I know it's been out there did me dirty on that that was so funny I know can we get your permission to show a photo of you for the shots of sunset reunion I was like done and yeah it's so funny because like the different reactions all of you had she was like hell yeah and then like jules was like nervous and then page was like her text was like um hi I was like which by the way like I love craig I don't want to I don't I didn't want anything I didn't want her to
Think I was going on there and like oh yeah look at me no it didn't seem like that at all you didn't even bring it up they did and so when I gave her the contact she was like oh that's amazing yeah great signed it no problem no it was so funny speaking of difference of dating in la versus new york I hate new york dating hate it hate it hate it hate it the girls or the dates both a little bit you know I would say la people value wellness and beauty and taking care of yourself a lot okay new york people value money and success and career which is amazing right but and that's how it should be but I want to find the balance of the two yeah that's the key I
Got that so when you typically so typically when you go on dates in new york what's your like go-to do you do dinner do you have certain spots you go to I don't do any dinners at all no dinner I don't want to commit to a dinner I think it's awkward for both okay I don't want to sit for two and a half hours and like have a meal with you and like a long dinner well two hours is a standard dinner appetizer a couple drinks entrees you know I just want to do that like I don't I think it's it's too much pressure too fast to spend time with someone okay so ideal new york date give the new york listeners some fun things to do if they're looking to a lounge any kind
Of lounge is really good so like a soho house a zero bond yeah bar veronica any place you can go get a drink and hang and talk for an hour and a half two hours that ideally sells food so if you're having fun you'd be like oh cool let's get something to eat you don't want to like be like committed to a meal I'm not trying to I'm not trying to share a tiramisu with you when I met you three hours ago on raya you know what I mean like I'm not trying to like have that conversation no that's a good point yeah like I gotta have an exit strategy and by the way like so do you like I could be you could be like I fucking hate this guy and that's a real
Thing for girls like you're going into the has that happened to you never I was gonna say I honestly can't knowing you so well and having also gone on dates with you like I can't see a girl we went on like two dates ever and she mentioned it was like five shall we count them no it was two dates no it was not we like brock so we don't want to talk about it but I will tell you I'm a really good date and so I always tell people like if I have a bad date which does happen rarely it's you like it's not me it's 100 yeah I know that I can like stomach a two-hour thing unless I have food poisoning I'm like suffering right now but yeah well I do want to
Get a little more into your dating life that involved me. Okay, well, that was fun. Can you explain what let's just be real? What just fucking happened? Oh, we're back. Like explain literally what just happened. I had to take a break because Nema had to get up and literally probably just lost four pounds in a trash can. I told you I had food poisoning. Yeah, I knew it. I whenever I get the shakes like this. Yeah, I know I have it.
And so I was coming here. And I was like, Oh, man, you just got like my leg. Yeah, you just got power through it just fucking power through it. And then like 20 minutes in. I was like, Oh, that's it. It's a wrap. But we still had a little more to do. She's like, that's great, dude. Back to the show. I got a podcast tonight. Uber one is paying while we're here. We're gonna just power through a little more because there's just well, there's an elephant in the room.
There is because I have I will protect you to the death. I will always keep anything you tell me you don't want to spread a secret. I trust you with everything. And there's been things that I have said on the show this season, and I've never said your name. And since we decided to do a podcast this week, I was like, well, maybe I don't think you need to beat around the bush. I also think the audience doesn't deserve that.
I think the reality this is in April last year, April. Yeah, it was April because Coachella was April of last year. Yeah, I had like a one month hang with Raquel. Yes, right. And that was that was what went down. And you really kind of pushed that you were like really into but I was also like in the beginning. I'm like, she's cute. She's fun. Like, why not? So this all came up, right? Raquel and I are sitting at a bar in Hollywood one night.
She's depressed over James. She's afraid to get back in the dating world. She doesn't want to go on any apps. And I was like, you know what? I have the perfect guy for you. And it's perfect because he doesn't even live in LA. But the next time he's in LA or the next time we're in New York, let's set up a date. I've been on a few dates with him more than two more than two. I like there was two in one day.
That's one. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Anyway, a few. And I was like, he's such a gentleman. Great conversation. Like he is the perfect person to go on a first date with. She ended up going like a Peter Madrigal route as well, which I thought was after wasn't it? It was. But like for the show, like that was also like the first. It was great for her to date. I was like I was like they were friends.
And yeah, so I pushed it and you went for it. We were supposed to come out to New York. I was in a place in my life where I was just like, I'm single. I'm thriving. Yeah. Why not? Cute girl. Why not? Totally. So we made plans to come to New York to actually see a Tom Sandoval's in the most extras concert. But our flight got delayed, delayed, delayed, canceled. I was like, we're not supposed to be in New York.
That's why Sandoval was there. I was wondering why he was at your live taping. Yeah. I met Raquel at a live taping for Sheena and I literally met her in the green room. I was doing the show. Raquel was doing the show. We had met anecdotally in LA. Yeah. But in the green room, it was like, hi, nice to meet you. By the way, like what's going on? Like we've been texting a little bit. Yeah. Because the trip before that was the one that got canceled.
Right. So then we're all back in New York. You guys hang out. Yada, yada, yada, whatever. But. Well, there's a couple things lost in that yada. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Let's not gloss over the yada. So I want to get to that because that show was in May. So to set the scene. Yep. It was the night before Hannah Burner's wedding, I believe. We went to Hannah Burner's wedding. That was May 13th. So we're mid-May.
Yep. Coachella was about a month before. Yep. You and Raquel, because that's how you knew her. She's now Rachel to us. I can say Rachel. I don't care. Perfect. You and Rachel at the time started hanging out and she told you a story about Coachella, which I repeated to Ariana. I repeated on the reunion, but I didn't even give you a gender. I just said this person. Let me just back this up. So I didn't want to.
We hung out. Vibes were not there. I slowly pulled away, but I think I did it in a respectful way. I don't think I was like, I didn't ghost her. I just was like, I got life in New York. You got life in LA. There's no reason for me to be like, I don't like you. Right. Right. I don't need to say that to someone. That's not a nice thing to say. Yeah. And so it annoyed me that like just this last weekend in LA, another person who dated her, like, which is like, there's like around the corner.
There's like another one. She's like, oh yeah. Like she was like obsessed with you, but actually she said she lost interest in you for, she was actually the first thing she said was she lost interest in you. And then she kind of changed her story and was like, actually he kind of lost interest in me. Yeah. And I was like, well, I have no shame. Like you can, you can say whatever you want. I take, everyone takes L's in life.
If that was true and like, she just wasn't feeling it, but yeah, she wasn't feeling it. Life goes on. Yeah. But like that was a hundred percent not the case. And so then while we were hanging out, she was talking about your upcoming season. And she was like, I, we were like the last day of us hanging out or walking around the West village, which, you know, I love to do. And we just like run into Tom Schwartz, like literally like dead end into him on the street and Dave Kaplan, you know?
Right. And they're like, we're doing this like fucking happy hour thing. Come with us. That was my first time really like hanging with Schwartz. And Raquel's leaving in three hours back to LA. And she was like, what do I do? I'm like, push your flight a day. We're fucking, let's go rage. And she was like, done. So literally push your flight a day. We go to this like random bar in Soho. It's like Dave and his crew, Schwartz, Shep, Taylor, his ex now, Austin, just a crew of us.
Just like having, like just ripping it. Yeah. Ripping it. Right. And she's kind of a little boozy. And she's like, dude, I think Schwartz is kind of hot. Like, I think Schwartz is like kind of hot. Now, this is at the stage of the game where I'm like, this isn't it. I'm not into this. Like, I got all just like kind of, so I was like, yes. Fun wedding day, but let's. I was like, Schwartz is the hottest guy ever.
You should totally just fucking marry him. And like, so I just kept bringing up Schwartz and it irked her. She was like, uh, I'm here like visiting to like hanging out with you tonight. And like, I don't want you like talking about another guy to me, but it's like, well, you just told me he was hot. Like, are we in the tree of trust or are we not in the tree? Right. I was like, whatever. All good.
So we go back to my place and we're like talking about Schwartz. And that's where she brings up to me for the first time. Like, I kind of want to pursue Schwartz on the show. I do think he's hot. I think she had kind of accepted that like I was pushing her that way. And she's like, what do you think about that? I was like, look, I think do it. If he's single and you're single, like, you know, you know, as long as you're okay, playing into, this is kind of villain energy, right?
Like, I don't know what your relationship with Katie's like, but if they're broken up and she's the one that initiated it, like do whatever you need to fucking, if you guys are really into each other, do it. I want to be very transparent that I was pro this courtship. And we're talking about like Schwartz and she's like, yeah, I think it's going to be Katie's going to be, but I also don't really care what Katie thinks.
I'm like, do it. Like we all live our shows. And I think when you go on a Bravo show, I hate the thing brings story. I think you have to live unabashedly. Does that mean the right word? Where it's like, you have no, you don't hold back. If you're like, I want to make out with fucking Schwartz. You're supposed to be authentic. Right. Then you need to like lean into that. Oh, for the show. Or this is like, no, that's literally what they hate.
I was like, if you are like into Schwartz, we're here in Soho and you're talking about how you want to like hook up, make out with him. And I'm like, do it. And then like an hour later, you're like, should I presume on the show? I'm like, yeah, why not? You like him in real life. Do it. Sorry, I don't really care if Katie, I understand there's like girl code there, but I'm saying from just the purely like objective, he's single, she's single, go.
So somehow like we start talking and flash forward many, many months, we fizzle out, show happens, your wedding comes up. And I was really before this, I'm going to get to that. I'm going to go back to what you want. Okay. So your wedding comes up and I was really bummed to miss your wedding. Like I love you and Brock a lot. It was something that I was really upset to not be there for, but it was on a fucking Tuesday.
I know. Because like Bravo, you know, this is the world. And I was like, I have, we don't have regular nine to five jobs. It's cheaper to get married on a weekday. Correct. Hey, Gary, I'm going to go fucking dip to Cancun. On Tuesday. On a fucking Tuesday for four days. It's Taco Tuesday in Cancun. I got to go. Yeah. And like the funny thing is Gary probably like, fuck yeah, go do it. But like everyone else underneath him would be like, what?
You know what? Like I'm like a Pepsi job. I'm like, what? What is he doing? So I was like, I can't go. And I was texting Raquel. I was like, yo, I can't go. You know, your booking was a four day booking. If you wanted to book through like your wedding website, it was a four day thing. Right. So I was like, I maybe I was trying to rationalize that. Could I go down Tuesday in and out?
And she was like, you could stay with me like in my room. Like you could totally just like maybe we can make it a thing. And I was like, I'm just going to put your name on my room anyway. And so I knew at that point I had to like pivot away from this and be like, yeah, like, yeah, like maybe. But like, I just was like backpedaling the fuck out of this because I knew outside of not being.
Man, she was stacked that week in Cancun. How did she have the time? Fucking pimp. What if you would have came? Well, so of course, I had no idea about Sandoval. I had no idea what was going on with Schwartz. I knew that it was she was going to pursue. None of us had any idea of Sandoval, but like she was going to pursue a Schwartz thing. And I remember calling you and MJ, who's like my Bravo mom.
Um she's gonna hate me for saying that but she is and I was like I what they're gonna do because they're tracking a raquel schwartz story right that's a story bravo track stories is I you were like they're gonna they're gonna want to mike you I knew it the minute you said that I was like I know exactly what's gonna happen they're gonna cut to a shot of me maybe I'm just like sitting there having a drunk moment just like taking in the ocean like like just zenning out having the time of my life and they're gonna cut to like her and schwartz kissing and then back to me like lonely depressed divorced guy you know what I mean and I I told mj scenarios we play out in our heads mj was like 100
When in reality I would be like go like go do that but I knew that that was gonna be twisted the wrong way so I was like I can't for a variety of reasons beyond just not wanting to be in her room alone I can't so we kind of fizzled out we stayed friends for a while and you know you lose contact like you don't you check in you like a photo here and there you kind of just fizzle out and then you guys came for watch what happens live the dreaded weekend so I was like cool I haven't seen raquel in a minute I always make time to see you let's all go to soho house yeah take us so house she sits down and she her energy is so fucking weird like so
Do you remember I was like what's wrong with you made a comment I was like what's wrong with you like what's what's going on she was like that's rude and I was like I'm not trying to be rude but like it's awkward like we're hanging like having a good time and she's just like and I and maybe this is the leo in me I was like oh this is the first time we've seen each other maybe she feels some sort of way because I didn't reciprocate feelings and it's just an uncomfortable situation so I was like oh thank god sheena's here she'll just kind of like break the tension you went to the bathroom once and we had a little bit more of a relax she got a glass of wine in her she calmed
Down little did we know right so you went to the bathroom she had a glass of wine we've all had a drink and she's like oh it's so good to see you like now we're normalizing a little bit right I'm like we're back to normal fucking great all good the next day sheena's like yeah do you want to come to watch happens live and I was like no I don't because my first year in new york anytime a friend came I would go and I was like this is and I was going to support you guys like I genuinely like don't have any interest in sitting in the green room for 45 minutes and then right but I was like I want to support you I support mike I want to support mj whoever right
So I was like no I don't want to go I think it's weird I showed me again this fucking guy again you know what I mean so I was like no no I'm not gonna go and literally you're like cool where I'm going to this bar afterwards this is a bar in new york that sheena loves called the brass monkey I fucking hate it it gives me it gives me a thousand icks and uh you know that place gives me an ick I know I love it and so it's like a dive bar I know I you're too bougie for a dive bar we know 100 and so I was like no I just saw them last night remember I walked you guys to your hotel like 145 in the morning walked you guys in
Your hotel good night took an uber went home so I'm like I was just with these girls till like 145 in the morning I don't need to like see them again right because I also didn't want no offense but I didn't want to lean into like another awkward situation yeah so you guys are flying out seven in the morning because you have a really weird fucking flight schedule you take like red eyes and 7 a.m flights like I got a baby so I like to put her down and get home by her nap time I got a happy hour I understand it's the same shit I get it but you were like oh we're leaving at seven in the morning I'll see you the next trip no big deal and I remember I was at
Vayner media about to like I was prepping a shoot and you called me and I was she never calls me in a day that's like this whole text or something and you were just like you are not going to fucking believe what went down and you basically explained to me the whole I grabbed her phone I threw her phone like she came I mean the two things that always stuck out to me where you said I threw I threw her phone and you said she came out with her phone and you were like she was talking to ariana the way that you would order like an uber yeah you know what I mean it was like so apathetic and I was like wow that's like really weird because I could hear someone crying on the
Phone like who is it the story's been told right but this all played out right and I was like holy shit and my first thought was like are you guys on a flight back together you're like no I went at seven she's going at 10 so you both left new york but on different flights yes and now we're gonna go back rewind this is the bravo yeah right go back to april go back to hang in with schwartz go back to us at that happy hour whatever that thing was we're talking she's not in love with me pushing the schwartz thing because I'm just like marry him date him I think I said the whole show should be schwartz is the bachelor and all of you are fighting I was laying it on so thick
Just like please date him and she mentioned to me she was like yeah you know it's funny because at coachella it wasn't schwartz it was sandoval that like said something to me and I was like what does that mean she was like well we were in the hot tub till like five in the morning we watched the sunrise together and I have the video she sent me a selfie I've showed it to you of her and like sandoval I think is that your house no they had their own house great in a hot tub sun's coming up they're the they're the pool I guess jesse might have been there or not but at one point she was like yeah it was really weird like tom said to me and by the way I I want
To say this and I I don't care if this annoys you I do not subscribe to like the dumping on tom sandoval thing I think what he did was horrible I think ariana is the fucking best she's a sweetheart the level of like vitriol hate that is coming at him is really disturbing to me like I don't think any of us we all deal with blogs that shit on us I was I've been called gay my veneers the sister thing you name it right it doesn't faze me at all but when you have like the world late night talk shows when you are permeating media and they're just dumping on you yes a part of that is like poetic justice because rm did not deserve that but there's a point where that stops and it's
Like yo like he could actually this could like really affect his mental health and all these people who are like mental health is the most important thing on tiktok fucking like just bullshitting for views and here's this guy getting fucking dumped on and does he make it any easier by wearing the lightning bolts no does he make it any easier than singing uh rachel's gotta go right right so you know a part of me is like my sympathy can only go so far for Tom right but I just want to be like I think the level of intensity is so intense that I'm like I just I cannot imagine what that would be like for him yeah and again he I'm not trying to defend the guy I'm just so anyways it's like it wasn't
Schwartz it was Sandoval that kind of said something weird to me and I was like what does that what does that mean because I was like what Sandoval like and she was like yeah he kind of was just like oh you know and again I don't know that Tom ever said this I can only go off of what Raquel said to me this is all alleged allegedly allegedly he she was like you know Tom allegedly was like you know like we have like an open thing like we can hook up with whoever we want and I was like oh do they because I'm like I don't know I don't know that intricacies I don't yeah and she was like no I don't Raquel was smart excuse me Raquel was smart to it she was like
No I think he's just like planting the seed that like you and I could hook up here and it would be totally okay because we're alone in a hot tub because it's totally okay in our relationship so she knew exactly what he she was very like for being a Bambi you guys make fun of her she knew exactly what he was doing and I think female intuition is a real thing so if she has that I said yeah I heard she's heard I will say what she did to Ariana was horrible like deplorable to like to like have someone come to your house to have someone like be like befriend you on that level like go to your pageants like it's just I get it like people will be like oh all's fair in love
And war but it's like such an unbelievably cruel thing to do you know that I'm like wow like I look at something like that that's not my business even though I like feel so much for Ariana and I'm like what else is someone like that capable of I couldn't do that I could not like I know be your friend myself and like hooking up with your girl behind your back I could never do that and like I think one of the reasons I'm gonna be super honest that like I have a good relationship with Brock is because we have a very respectful platonic friendship Brock is involved every time you come and tell him I can't wait to see you and Brock I always make it a point to like Brock is your husband like
There is a respect that just comes with that so anyways so I was like wow okay so like you like you think he was trying to do that she was like oh yeah for sure so she goes yeah I mean he was like you know we could totally hook up and I was like oh like would you ever do that like would you ever like you ever consider that and she's like no no no no I would never she was like I would hook up with Ariana though I wouldn't hook up with Tom and I was like oh okay this was literally a fleeting thought I never gave this another thought a day in my life until you called me that day go back to the present life and you're like here's what's happening and
I was like well that's fucking weird because seven months ago whatever I'm not don't hold me to that math yeah like she kind of made this really weird comment and you immediately were like dude we're going cameras up I'm literally filming with Ariana tomorrow I have to talk about this I said I won't say your name I won't say where it came from but I know for a fact this is true based on you being the source and I said to you I am not gonna fight it because Ariana deserves to know the truth and I don't again this is all alleged but she deserves to know the truth and so my run request was like don't say my name I don't want to be involved you know I don't want to like shit on
People I'm trying to me like kindness is a real value system I like I don't want to shit on people in their lives and it exploded it exploded and then what I don't like is when I'm seeing these clips and I'm seeing like our mutual friends not on your cast but just like in LA saying oh she's denying it or oh that's not true or like they're on the show they're denying it I'm like I don't like don't like live free like live free like if you're going to talk about that shit you're going to do it live yeah and like we put you so so you know you said it to me and I'm saying it to our friend and you guys are on a show where like you're literally being paid to like
Share your life in the most like honest honest and raw way possible don't pussy out you know now I have no idea if Tom actually said it I only know what Raquel right but she told you that I don't think she just made up that story unequivocally 100% she tried to fuck me in your bed yeah like literally like we went and like hung out at your house I was like okay I don't I felt bad I don't want to like I was like isn't that Sheena's like bedroom where my child would also sleep with us occasionally like glow lights on the sky I can't do this this feels like a fucking summer camp so now you know anyone who is listening unequivocally 100% take it from me Sheena is telling the truth I know
What was said I never wanted to jump in and use it at all so this was just built around two things I wanted to defend you a little bit I wanted people to realize that you are telling the truth and I also wanted to like not have my name among a close group of friends yeah that might have known get dragged like oh he's trying and I didn't want to jump into this I told Sheena a hundred times like I don't want to be a random guy that comes in and starts talking about this situation like I and I see a lot of people who do that it it comes off very thirsty to me no offense to people we all know but like I don't like it like to me unless you were like
Fucking one of them in some capacity or you were like literally like their mom who like raised them you don't get to talk yeah you know what I mean like that it just doesn't it's not just because oh we went to brunch one time and I thought I saw her like sneeze the wrong way and that's what you're getting right now and I I hate that like hate that hate that hate that so yeah I just want to be like if I could say anything in this it would just be that you were telling the truth people need to understand like Tom did a terrible fucking thing like he'll deal with it he's gonna deal with a lot he's gonna lose brand deals he's gonna he's gonna lost all his friends like he's dealing with
A lot I just don't ever feel the need to like add more I think he's already getting so much and I think I love to see Ariana like win as dramatic I directed her in a commercial yesterday I know the first time I've ever directed a Bravo person so sick Vayner's done that before I'm so proud of both of you that was so dope Vayner did that with Teresa and Caroline yeah for a Sabra Super Bowl commercial and it like broke the internet because they had come together for the first time oh yes that one I loved that So, you know, it's one of those things where like, I just don't think we know who Raquel is at all.
No. The person that I hung out with for a month. I don't know who the fuck Rachel is. Whatever. The person I hung out with for a month who was just like kind of doughy eyed and kind of just like naive to the world, you know, is has this like crazy villain energy that I'm like, wow, I'm really glad that I got out of that. Wild. Yeah. I'm so glad you got out of it. And I'm sorry for ever putting you in it at the same time.
By the way, I was totally down to like hang out with Raquel for like two dates, have a repeat of like other girls that I've dated in the network or hung out with in a moment. And at Hannah Burner's wedding, we're getting a drink at the bar and Sheena just goes on her Instagram. It's like drunk, turns the phone and like snaps us and post it on your story. And that's when the blogs went crazy. Once you did that, all of a sudden it was out there.
Oh, we were so under the radar. And it was, it just started. It just started. It was like, there was nothing to be under the radar about. But I could have easily been like, come for the week, hang out, never talk to you again. The minute that happened and the blogs were like, oh my God, oh my God, James unfollowed me. I know. Which I think is such a lame thing, but I know I get it.
But I was like, dude, come on. Like, come on. But he unfollowed me. And I was like, oh, now this is a thing. Like now this has become a thing. The power of your Instagram story, Sheena, is quite impressive. Thank you. So. Yeah. So I've sworn off dating girls in the network. Yeah. Well, you say that now. No, I'm dating a girl in DC talking to her. She's great. I don't, I don't want any, any fucking Bravo energy.
Okay. Bravo girls. Sorry. Well, thank you so much for doing this, for powering through. I know you feel like shit. So we're going to wrap this up and. You're the best. I love when you come to New York, come back, come more often. I love how often I've been here recently. I want to keep it going. So. You're the best. All right. Thank you guys for listening and watching. Check out my new merch. Justice is served.
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